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I agree. For me it feels like this is just a cheap way to earn some easy cash from website owners. And many webhosts these days are already "green". With that I mean that some power their servers with renewable energy such as wind and solar power and others use carbon offsetting by buying green tags or RECs. This website and green blog is hosted on a "green" host. So I dont see any point in buying this service. Its a much better idea to support webhosts that are "green" and work hard to become as energy efficient as possible.

Or not. 2008 ends up being the tenth warmest year due to man-made climate change

Interesting article Steve. Have you guys checked out Dr Alex Wissner-Gross website and service? http://www.co2stats.com It seems interesting but Im not really sure what to think about it yet..

Yeah, good ol' Canada. It's Harpers fault... and the people who vote for him... Canada re-elects climate wrecker Stephen Harper Canada scores badly in environmental ranking

3rd place - Russia Russia stormed into third place for today's Fossil of the Day due to its delegation head's final statement that the 25-40% targets for 2020 are "unfounded". Perhaps Russia thinks that there are more eminent, more well-informed organisations out there than the Nobel-Prizewinning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change? 2nd Place - The European Union With its Climate and Energy Package shivering in the damp and chilly - but not frosty and frozen thanks to climate change - Polish winter, the European Union has snatched second place for stressing that Europe supports a 2 degree increase in average global temperatures. Of course, the Brussels agreement charts a 4 degree increase, but hey, if you listen to Italy's Berlusconi the degrees don't matter anyway as climate action is as urgent as a haircut. And first place.... drum roll... The Umbrella Group! Japan, Russia, New Zealand, Australia and Canada. While being full of the usual suspects - and several repeat FOTD winners - this win is particularly apt due to the group's insistence that they have not been obstructing progress because.... they (grudgingly) re-affirmed their Bali targets. Bravo! Now for the long awaited Fossil of the Year... Canada has racked up enough points over the last 2 weeks to land itself in the first place for the country that has done the most to undermine and hinder the progress of the talks here in Poznan. http://www.fossil-of-the-day.org/

Yet another interesting post by Gideon.

This is a really good interview with Yvo de Boer. Monbiot ask the questions that other journalists are too afraid/stupid to ask.

Be careful Miguel. They might accuse you of being anti-semitic! :rolleyes:

Lori F: You can send your email to info@green-blog.org and I will forward it to Liz Thompson.

Hmm that website doesnt work. And I bet it aint that "legal" either? :P

You fail to give the whole picture. From that very page: Either you dont read the facts and links I have listed in previous posts or you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Israel NEVER held it's part of the cease-fire agreement. "Ending the siege has been Hamas' main and constant demand. When the truce began on June 19th Israel permitted increased importation of food, but still only to about 20% of normal levels. The UN's Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, Robert Falk, has reported levels of hunger inside Gaza that rival those of the poorest sub-Saharan nations and has called the Israeli siege a "crime against humanity." In November, Israel launched two military attacks that effectively ended the truce and led to the resumption of rocket attacks; nonetheless in December Hamas offered to extend the truce if Israel would only lift the siege. Israel was not interested; thereafter Hamas increased the intensity of the attacks, culminating in a barrage the week of Christmas that prompted the initiation of Operation Cast Lead (although, as I have pointed out in an earlier post, that operation had been planned for months)." [source: Israel in Gaza: Three Wrong Arguments] You should read that whole article. And maybe you would learn something?

Well I understand that it can be a bit hard for you coming from USA to have any kind of (objective) understanding about the real facts and about the real situation i Gaza and Israel. Your media is so biased its a complete joke to call them news stations. You should just call them propaganda stations. The fact is that Israel never held their part of the cease-fire agreement. The fact is that no rockets or violence came from Hamas against Israel before Israel broke the cease-fire agreement in a foolish effort to win the coming election. So far over 800 Palestinians have been killed in this war. 14 IDF soldiers/Israelis have been killed. 4 of them from friendly fire. That pretty much says it all.

But if you consider the latest cease-fire agreement between Hamas and Israel you will see that Israel never held their part of the agreement and that Israel started this war. No rockets or violence from Hamas against Israel was occurring until Israel completely broke the cease-fire agreement. And now we have over 800 dead Palestinian people and children compared to the 14 dead IDF soldiers so far. So your comment holds no ground as it seems that its Israel that wants to completely destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.

I didn't think you were so cold hearted that you actually approve of Israels disgusting war crimes. If you approve and dont condemn Israels actions you are no better than the IDF monsters performing these hideous atrocities. Over 800 dead innocent Palestinian people and children compared to the 14 dead IDF soldiers so far. And Israel has the nerves to tell Gazans to prepare for an escalation of military offensive.

So, will this disaster mark the end of the “clean coal” lie?

Well, we are talking about crazy "believers" here... :rolleyes:

Here are more news about the Red Cross story I wrote about earlier: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians On the afternoon of 7 January, four Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) ambulances and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) managed to obtain access for the first time to several houses in the Zaytun neighbourhood of Gaza City that had been affected by Israeli shelling. The ICRC had requested safe passage for ambulances to access this neighbourhood since 3 January but it only received permission to do so from the Israel Defense Forces during the afternoon of 7 January. The ICRC/PRCS team found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses. In another house, the ICRC/PRCS rescue team found 15 other survivors of this attack including several wounded. In yet another house, they found an additional three corpses. Israeli soldiers posted at a military position some 80 meters away from this house ordered the rescue team to leave the area which they refused to do. There were several other positions of the Israel Defense Forces nearby as well as two tanks. "This is a shocking incident," said Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation for Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded." Large earth walls erected by the Israeli army had made it impossible to bring ambulances into the neighbourhood. Therefore, the children and the wounded had to be taken to the ambulances on a donkey cart. In total, the ICRC/PRCS rescue team evacuated 18 wounded and 12 others who were extremely exhausted. Two corpses were also evacuated. The ICRC/PRCS will recover the remaining corpses on Thursday. The ICRC was informed that there are more wounded sheltering in other destroyed houses in this neighbourhood. It demands that the Israeli military grant it and PRCS ambulances safe passage and access immediately to search for any other wounded. Until now, the ICRC has still not received confirmation from the Israeli authorities that this will be allowed. The ICRC believes that in this instance the Israeli military failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded. It considers the delay in allowing rescue services access unacceptable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Israel BOMBS UN trucks trying to deliever medical supplys to Gaza - kills one UN worker! Hard Not To Be Angry With Israel when they deliberately bombs UN schools and trucks and target civilians on purpose. Israel started the war and never held it's part of the cease-fire agreement. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- War Crimes by Israel being reported The agency suspended its operations in Gaza on Thursday after it said one person had been killed when a fork-lift truck on an aid mission came under Israeli tank fire at Gaza's Erez crossing. Separately, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said an alleged failure of the Israeli military to help wounded civilians in Gaza could constitute a war crime. On Thursday, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said its staff had found four weak and scared children beside their mothers' bodies in houses hit by shelling in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City. Ms Pillay told the BBC: "The incident the Red Cross describes is very troubling because it has all the elements of what constitutes a war crime." "There is an obligation to protect the wounded, to treat the sick, to remove them to safety and here, according to the Red Cross, Israeli soldiers just stood by and did nothing for these four children and one adult who were too weak to move." The UN human rights body has demanded that human rights monitors be deployed in Gaza, Israel and the West Bank so that any violations of international law can be documented independently. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Israel 'shelled civilian shelter' Israeli forces shelled a house in the Gaza Strip which they had moved around 110 Palestinians into 24 hours earlier, the UN quotes witnesses as saying. The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it "one of the gravest incidents" since the beginning of the offensive. The shelling at Zeitoun, a south-east suburb of Gaza City, on 5 January killed some 30 people, the report said. The OCHA report said: "According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitoun (half of whom were children) warning them to stay indoors. "Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30." The UN said those who survived and were able walked 2km to the main north-south road to be transported to hospital in civilian vehicles. "Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital," the report said. "Since the ground operation, the number of children killed has risen by 250%." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gaza 'human shields' criticised Israeli troops had forced Palestinian civilians to stay in their homes after taking them over as sniper positions or bases, it said quoting sources in Gaza. "This increases risk to families and means they are effectively being used as human shields," the group said. The use of human shields in conflict is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Article 51.7 states the presence of civilians "shall not be used to... shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations". Amnesty also criticised Israeli forces for bombing civilian homes after they had been used to launch militant attacks when the attackers had probably fled. "The army is well aware gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians - not gunmen," said Mr Smart, director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme. Israeli judges banned the practice in 2005, but Amnesty says troops "frequently" imprison Palestinian families in homes used as military observation and firing positions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Israel accused over Gaza wounded "Our installations have been hit, our workers have been killed in spite of the fact that the Israeli authorities have the co-ordinates of our facilities and that all our movements are co-ordinated with the Israeli army". Earlier, Unrwa said one person had been killed and two injured when a fork-lift truck on a UN aid mission came under Israeli tank fire at Gaza's Erez crossing. The UN says the delivery had been co-ordinated with Israel. The International Committee of the Red Cross accused Israel of failing in its international obligations after its staff were met with "shocking" scenes". Correspondents say the criticism is unusually strong, coming from an agency considered to be neutral. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like I said before: What a bunch of disgusting monsters!

Wikipedia has a non-updated list of the Israeli and Palestinian casualties. I dont trust that list for obvious reasons. I especially dont trust the number of Palestinian deaths as it's hard if not nearly impossible to count deaths when your government and system has been bombed away and set in a blockade. I mean, USA cant even count their election votes properly... [Total Number of Palestinian deaths] : 4209 Children: 892 Women : 273 Men : 3044 [Palestinians killed by Jewish settlers] 72 [Palestinians killed as a result of Israeli shelling] : 83 [Deaths as a result of medical prevention at Israeli checkpoints] : 117 Of them stillbirths (born dead at checkpoints) : 31 [Number of Palestinians extra-judicially assassinated] : 561 Of them bystanders killed during extra-judicial operations: 253 [Total Number Israeli deaths]: 1556 Children : 113 Women : 305 Men : 603 Settlers : 213 Soldiers : 322 The Israelis are far from innocent, they are the illegal occupier, they are the main aggressor and in the end they have the power to decide over the faith of the Palestinians. If Israel wanted peace they would make peace with the Palestinians. But they have more to gain by oppressing the Palestinians. Yes, but they wouldn't be in power if Israel and the rest of the Western world had shown some compassion and morals towards the Palestinian people. You complained about Monbiot too so I dont take your remarks about Uygur so seriously. Uygur is one of the very few open-minded, objective and democratic commentators in USA today. People like him are rare in the banana-republic of USA these days. That is something completely different to this situation and you know it. The germans had a choice and the possibility to change direction. But they choose not to. But that doesnt take away the fact that the Allies as well as Nazi Germany and Soviet during that time murdered many innocent people. And those are the ones we should sympathy for, not their nut-case leaders. I think I did point out something valid. If you count all deaths, destruction and suffering it becomes pretty clear which side it is who wants to see the other part completely dead. Talk is talk. But actions speak louder than words. "If you look at the damage and suffering caused you can clearly see that Israel is carrying the biggest burden (I dont even think you can compare the sufferings between Israelis and Palestinians). And Israels actions and current genocide against the Palestinians show that perhaps its the other way around. Perhaps the Israelis dont want the Palestinians to remain and live in peace."

"Shell" you say? Thats what the Israelis are doing in Gaza as we speak. The rockets that Hamas are shooting haven't even killed 20 people yet. The Gaza deathtoll has now passed over 700 innocent people and children. Overkill, anyone? Disproportionately, anyone? It's easy for us Westerners to accuse Hamas for terrorism. But they are the true democratically elected government there (more than what you can say about President Bush and his election), and who are we to say they are terrorists when they are just trying to defend themselves from a mighty and powerful, and illegal, occupier by the only means they can? When Hamas or any other Western marked terrorist organisation bombs a school we call them the worst names possible, we all condemn the attack. But when Israel or any other Government (like the USA does in Iraq and Afghanistan) bomb a school we call it collateral damage. Imagine what American reaction would have been if Hamas had just killed one of the top Israeli leaders -- like Tzipi Livni -- and her family. No one can honestly say that we would have the same reaction of indifference. They would be called butcher, madmen, terrorists. Even if you are a hard-core Israel supporter no matter what they do, you have to agree with that. Hamas would be called terrorists for that same exact action. The double standard is sickening. [source] If you look at the damage and suffering caused you can clearly see that Israel is carrying the biggest burden (I dont even think you can compare the sufferings between Israelis and Palestinians). And Israels actions and current genocide against the Palestinians show that perhaps its the other way around. Perhaps the Israelis dont want the Palestinians to remain and live in peace. I also thinks it's too late for Israel to ceace to exist. The occupation has gone on for to long. But I dont see a two-state option as possible at the moment due to all the suffering the Israelis has caused to the Palestinians. I fully understand the grudge people living on the West Bank and on the Gaza strip has against Israel.

Amish Paradise by Weird Al Yankovic is just a great song. And yes you are right, it's very hard to choose a fav song/lyric. :cute:

I see trees of green........ red roses too I see em bloom..... for me and for you And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world. I see skies of blue..... clouds of white Bright blessed days....dark sacred nights And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world. The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky Are also on the faces.....of people ..going by I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do Theyre really sayin......i love you. I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow Theyll learn much more.....than Ill never know And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky Are there on the faces.....of people ..going by I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I ....love....you). I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow *spoken*(you know their gonna learn A whole lot more than Ill never know) And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world Yes I think to myself .......what a wonderful world. Guess which song! ;)

Hahaha thanks so much for this one. So funny! :lol: :lol:

You watch way too much childrens TV because I have no idea what you are talking about. This is a fine example of the mind-and-right-wing-gap between Europe and America. George Monbiot is Europes leading green and social commentator. Calling Monbiot stupid.. Well.. That is just stupid. You should really read some of his work, especially this article. Who knows, you might even learn a thing or two?